Thats great but....

Amen fellow meat-eating sister!

There is a group of vitamins which animal meat is required that help the brain to work properly, B-something... or could be a D...

Of course you can buy around these vitamins, but is far more expensive than a simple meat pie, I also respect anyone's decision to eat whatever they want as long is not harmful to them or to another human being (remember the German cannibal...) but as they have the right to eat wathever they want, also we do; and that should be respected

Heh, in all honesty, I DO agree with most of what Mr Kanopka says. He sums up my reasons for being veggie pretty well - there's just no need for eating meat now, so if we can live happily and healthily without it, why not just cut out the moral questionableness.

HOWEVER, I don't support his general pig-headedness about it. I take the stance that I will tell people about why (for me) vegetarianism is the only ethical choice, but I will NEVER try to convert people. The way I see it, freedom of choice is a basic right, which I will not interfere with over something this subjective. If the statistics and images don't speak for themselves, nothing I can say will change your mind, and I respect a decisive meat-eater a lot more than a veggie who doesn't have a clue what he's on about.

Oh, and the vitamin you're referring to, Max, is B12. It CAN be found naturally in vegan things like Marmite/Vegemite. but I can understand what you're both saying about those vegans who just live off of carrots and supplements - I'd rather have natural meat than artificial veggie myself.

Good words to hear, Porcelain. Sorry if we sounded a bit... extremist... on our way to express ourselves

This is the rant thread, I was expecting a bit of extremism

Now I am hungry...

Kasmira wrote:

PorcelainPirate wrote:

This is the rant thread, I was expecting a bit of extremism

Well i think even for a rant i was kind of nice about it.....but that could just be my delusions popping up again.

Nope, it was definitely one of the more delicately put meat-eating rants I've ever seen!

I tried to be a veggie-head but it really didn't work for me. I became undernourished even with an intake of vitamins. Those of us who are anemic need our red meat to survive. Give me hamburger or give me death!

Tsk, tsk, one does not need to be a vegetarian to be a progressive thinker.

This just reminded me of something else I read today. PETA is trying to get Ben & Jerry's to start using women's breast milk instead of cow's milk in their products! They reason that you are harming the poor baby cows by milking the cows and not giving the calves enough- and as humans we should be consuming human milk.

I don't know about you guys, and I don't remember what it tastes like, but something is kind of off putting about having human milk in my ice cream.

Anybody have read PETA Kids? I have... pretty much they tell kids that milk is evil and should be avoided at all cost

Kasmira wrote:

PETA....................... I'm not even going to go there. We have been able to keep this a nice chat but if i start running my mouth about them it will all be fore nothing.


And breast milk ice cream. Sure let the PETA people have it but I'm sticking to moo juice myself.

<--- for you. Glad to know someone feels the same way I do about PETA and their doctored crap. I remember my best girlie going to a concert, and PETA had a table set up outside with pamphlets and such. She came over to my house the next day, waving this pamphlet in my face, with a picture of a pig that had it's teeth pulled out. I tried to tell her... "I HIGHLY doubt that is not doctored... who has TIME to sit there and pluck pig teeth all day just for kicks? What purpose does that serve?" She thought I was crazy and insensitive... until I found the same picture, WITH teeth, on the internet and sent it to her, to show her they doctored the photo.

THe woman who runs PETA is a crackpot and they are masters of taking facts and altering them to their needs. You guys should YouTube the episode of Penn and Teller's Bullshit that talks about PETA, ELF and ALF. I'm for animal rights but these people are Nucking Futs.

I saw that one, it was great.

I just love Pen & Teller, even if I don't agree with all what they say they surely have a good point

PETA? People for the Eating of Tasty Animals?

And who exactly, would be providing the breast milk to Ben & Jerry's? I can't imagine there are a lot of lactating women out there willing to pump enough milk to give to an ice cream company to keep up with their demands. What a bizarre idea.

To the original post: I agree whole-heartedly with you about the crackpot vegans who try to enforce their enlightened ways onto us meat eaters. I won't force my ways onto them, if they don't try to force theirs on me. I resent being called "unprogressive" simply because of my diet choices. What makes someone unprogressive is closing off the possibilities of other lifestyles and ways of doing things.

Vegetarianism can be a good thing, but it's not for everyone. I've tried it and was never so miserable. I thought it might be a healthy way to live, but for me, it wasn't. Even with supplements, I had no energy, lacked concentration, my hair dried out and I was bloated all the time from the vegetables. Turns out I can't digest a lot of veggies and I'm allergic to soy, which is used as a meat alternative in so many things. Nope, I'm sticking with my bacon and steaks.

In agreement with Kasmira about a cow's purpose. Everything on earth has a purpose, and if we stop eating cows and chickens, then what are they here for?

If everything in Earth has a porprose, then why are we here? or the giant squids among the bottom of the Ocean and the mayflies whose life is only a few hours?

Was Dr. Pangloss wrong when he said "We are the best of the possible worlds"?

Giant Squid are there to be cool. And attack ships, and as my brothers tattoo depicts, spaceships. There ya go- lifes qustion is solved.

KittyKat wrote:

Giant Squid are there to be cool. And attack ships, and as my brothers tattoo depicts, spaceships. There ya go- lifes qustion is solved.

So the Platypus exists solely has having a geek counterpart?

KittyKat wrote:

This just reminded me of something else I read today. PETA is trying to get Ben & Jerry's to start using women's breast milk instead of cow's milk in their products! They reason that ... as humans we should be consuming human milk.

I believe B&J replied to PETA observing that they would rather mother's milk go to babies, rather than into their ice cream.

Maxmordon wrote:

If everything in Earth has a porprose, then why are we here? or the giant squids among the bottom of the Ocean and the mayflies whose life is only a few hours?

There you go then: We weight PETA members with lead weights and send them down to milk giant squid for Ben and Jerry's.